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Quarter light removal.

donkeyotty
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Quarter light removal.

Postby donkeyotty » Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:27 am

So I find myself having to remove the quarter lights ( the sixth light ) for body repair. I have the original workshop manual pages but wondered if anyone has done this and has any hints and tips they can share with me. Manual makes it look easy but I know it won’t be, also any recommendations for special tools.
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katar83
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Re: Quarter light removal.

Postby katar83 » Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:39 pm

Not done it myself but I'm sure manual will have good instructions. One thing I would add is that if there are any plastic clips holding anything that you'll need to remove to get to them, have replacement ready, they just don't come out in one piece :)
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Re: Quarter light removal.

Postby abercanadian » Tue Oct 19, 2021 4:19 pm

What part is this, I don't know the term

Larry
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Re: Quarter light removal.

Postby donkeyotty » Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:16 pm

Hi Larry, quarter light is an old term for the little triangular opening windows at the front and rear of old car doors. It seems to have carried over to the XJ40 as another name for the sixth side window.
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Re: Quarter light removal.

Postby abercanadian » Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:59 am

I remember the quarter lights on the front windows on various cars but was wondering what they were on the 40 ...ah, but of course, the rear "Opera" windows. :D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opera_window

....or more truly, a quarter light -as you say.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarter_glass

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Oyster Metallic/Doeskin on Aero Alloys
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Re: Quarter light removal.

Postby donkeyotty » Thu Oct 21, 2021 5:51 pm

So bought a packet of craft knifes and got stuck in, took me exactly 2 hours, not the easiest of jobs and you need a lot of patience. Rear seats and parcel shelf have to come out as well, plenty of protective tape and cloths to limit any damage. Just need to find a welder and a painter now. Lacquer came off when I pulled the tape off :o
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Re: Quarter light removal.

Postby katar83 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:59 am

Can you get to it from the other side? I assume should be possible to see the damage through the boot?
I'd be cutting a fairly thin strip horizontally on the flat surface where its spot welded to bottom of the window channel and going back to where the holes are.
Shouldn't be too difficult if it's not too terrible from the other side.
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Re: Quarter light removal.

Postby donkeyotty » Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:32 pm

katar83 wrote:Can you get to it from the other side? I assume should be possible to see the damage through the boot?
I'd be cutting a fairly thin strip horizontally on the flat surface where its spot welded to bottom of the window channel and going back to where the holes are.
Shouldn't be too difficult if it's not too terrible from the other side.

You can get your finger to it through the bodywork at the side of the parcel shelf but that is all, problem is there is a drain tube and wiring in there so I have decided not to have it welded. Everything else is rock solid so I am going to fill it and localise the paintwork as much as possible. I have rust killed and painted both sides. On this occasion I think cutting out and welding could be a bit OTT, should get 20 years out of the repair which will see me out.
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Re: Quarter light removal.

Postby katar83 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:37 pm

Your attempt at filling them will not last a year I'm afraid, the moment it went through and the bottom of that pinched channel its gone and will burst through like in an alien movie and as quickly as next winter I suspect, whatever paint you're going to throw at it.
You could probably get away with rust converting that flat spot welded bit for a bit longer but only if it didn't go through anywhere but not that holed area for sure, especially in that bottom bit which has rust between metal layers.
I've done this on my XJS, it just doesn't last with rust trapped and pin holed metal.
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1988, 3.6S XJS - Never ending restoration project.
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1994, 3.2S XJ40 - First Jaaaag, long gone.

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Re: Quarter light removal.

Postby donkeyotty » Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:56 am

Well this is one occasion when I hope you are wrong. :lol: :lol: I think cutting that out is overkill so rightly or wrongly I will persist and fill and paint. That lower portion of the window is absolutely solid and I have have had my finger in which confirms there is no further corrosion in there. I am trying to paint as little as I can so after a gang of like minded car nuts huddled round my car agreed with my plan so be it. I did a similar repair on the bulkhead about 10 years ago and it is still sound so that bodes well. If the car was kept outside I may well have gone the welding route but it is a garaged car that doesn’t even get washed so I will crack on. Just been to Halfrauds for supplies so going to hopefully get it done next week, pictures will obviously follow :)
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