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Flooded XJ81

panarabica
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Flooded XJ81

Postby panarabica » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:07 pm

I have come acroos an offer on ebay, and wanted to have the opinion of knowledgable forum members. It has been on the news that parts of western Germany have suffered from massive floods and according damages. Unfortunately also some car collections have been hit, and I have come across an Insignia XJ 81 that is up for sale. Here is the link to the auction:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/114896697121?ss ... 1438.l2649

I took contact with the owner that has confirmed that the water has reached the level up to the radio (can bee seen in the pictures), hence everything electronic below that level is probably gone beyong repair. air filters of the engine are dry, the water has not reached the intake manifolds. I am thinking of buying the car as a donor, the leather is a nice combo (if it can be saved) , and overall the car seems to be in a decent condition. The car has been in storage since 2008, no battery being connected when it was flooded.
As I own an Xj 81 it is increasingly difficult to source parts for that car, Brexit is not really helping either.

In your opinion is it worth it spending time and money on that car, or is beyond any kind of sensible usage. I am aware that all electronics will probably be dead.

Best

Robert
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Re: Flooded XJ81

Postby Elsa_jag » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:44 pm

What a shame.

If the interior could be saved, it looks to have been in good condition prior to the flooding.

Worth looking closer at things like wings and bumpers, they’re getting scarce and expensive, there certainly could be some mileage in saving some of the parts, if they are in good condition.
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Re: Flooded XJ81

Postby pimgmx » Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:55 pm

The area is less than 1 1/2 hr away from me, it’s been shocking to see the flood damage to areas we so often visited to ‘walk the car’.

To the Insignia: most of its interior should be salvageable, and that’s probably where the biggest chunk of its value is. :(

The twenty spoke wheels look clean enough to generate some cash, too.

Like Carl said: wings, bumpers and the V12 front subframe are becoming rare enough to either store or sell on.

Smaller bits like the rear sun shades and the plastic engine cover w/fasteners are increasingly rare.

It’s all about the maths: will purchase & transport weigh up against the spare parts gained/sellable parts removed?

And perhaps an open door: dismantling a car (a must in this case to dry as many bits as possible) requires a LOT of space.

Ask how I know… :roll:

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Re: Flooded XJ81

Postby katar83 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:20 pm

Meh, if there was no engine damage, leave it for a couple of days with the doors open in this heat, put a dehumidifier inside for another 2 days and I bet you it would run like absolutely nothing happened.
It wasn't salty water damage so everything is 'recoverable' and there is barely anything under the radio level so if there was no battery connected, everything should work when dried up.

What I would do if this was available here, I'd check if definitely no water got into the engine and if you're sure that this is ok, then I don't see much of a problem rly. If/when you get it, simply dry everything up(as above) remove everything from inside the car, down to bare floors and start cleaning.

Flooding it probably wont help with a couple relays that possibly got wet behind the radio or bolster panels and fuseboxes will need redoing(but they would need that anyway) but dehumidifier inside coupled with maybe a few good hours of running an ozone generator inside should bring it back just fine. Its not a modern car with CPUs everywhere so dont expect a total loss for sure.

When all dried up, simply plug in a adjustable DC power supply instead of a battery and crank the amperage up slowly, should show up very quickly if anything is shorted and how much power it uses, if it doesn't and everything lights up, put the battery on and crank it up, I bet you, you'll get very surprised.
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panarabica
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Re: Flooded XJ81

Postby panarabica » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:27 pm

Thanks for the replies, so I guess it's everything between a few parts to possibly a running V12. There is nothing like a big gamble eh? I have a bit of storage space so dismantling is an option, though if it works i prefer to save the car.
In three end it will come down to the price that it will fetch, and I have set myself a limit.
We will see, my xJ 81 is in hybernation until 2023 when I can get a historic license plate. Mr. Taxmann is asking for 2K€ a year to run it around at three moment..
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Re: Flooded XJ81

Postby XJ6Paul » Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:19 pm

Check out this thread for some inspiration on bringing back a flooded Jaguar.

https://forums.jag-lovers.com/t/jaguar- ... car/358727
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katar83
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Re: Flooded XJ81

Postby katar83 » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:18 am

That XJS has a ton of electronics including ECU under steering wheel and looks like water was much higher as it got to dials. That XJ81 should be much much easier to bring back to life.
One thing I forgot is water in the exhaust boxes, I would seriously consider drilling a small hole in the lowest part of the boxes to remove water, they dont last well when wet, when you get rid of the water, simply weld the hole back.
1996, 3.2 SWB X300 - Relatively rust free daily driver!
1997, 4.0 LWB X300 - Unlucky car, sold 10.2020!.
1988, 3.6S XJS - Never ending restoration project.
1994, 3.2S X300 - Accident damaged, 10.2015. Gone!
1994, 3.2S XJ40 - First Jaaaag, long gone.

panarabica
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Re: Flooded XJ81

Postby panarabica » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:15 am

Thanks for all the helpful comments. Looking at the xjs project which had water ingress in the engine this looks like there is hope for the 81. I was asking myself if the water could have gone through the exhaust in the engine. I doubt that the boxes or the cats will hold water back, but then again I have never had a flood car.
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Re: Flooded XJ81

Postby pimgmx » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:38 am

panarabica wrote:I was asking myself if the water could have gone through the exhaust in the engine

The engine exhaust ports are situated quite high up the engine, I would not be too worried about that scenario...

If you buy it, your biggest concern/priority is cleaning: fine sand, sewage, chemical contaminants (many households in the Eifel use oil for heating) have equal or worse damage potential than 'just' water!

The disconnected battery makes a massive difference, perhaps some of the low-down electrical parts like the starter can be saved by a mere clean. :roll:

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panarabica
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Re: Flooded XJ81

Postby panarabica » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:57 am

Pim the topic of the chemicals is a point that I have not thought about. If there is an oil film over everything then its clearly a no go. I got some more pictures of the interior from the seller and there is a layer of thin mud over the middle console but I will look if I can find any trace of oil or chemicals. Luckily the car was left in N when parked. If it would have been in P it would have been a real problem of the owner to get it out. Its at 1 K€ now, and a day left. Lets see where it goes.
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