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New Member & just bought a 1994 4.0 Sport

Jagman_40
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Re: New Member & just bought a 1994 4.0 Sport

Postby Jagman_40 » Mon Apr 05, 2021 8:26 pm

How Many Left records:-

3.2 Sport:- 83 licenced & 242 Sorn

So, potentially 325 left out-of 3117
Just over 10% again
Or, 2.5% on-the-road !

i.e.
90% scrapped, &
97.5% off-the-road!

Facinating...

donkeyotty
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Re: New Member & just bought a 1994 4.0 Sport

Postby donkeyotty » Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:43 am

Some research was done a few years ago which showed an attrition rate of about 90% and climbing. If that rate continued within a few years they would be extinct :o Hopefully that rate has slowed now as the ‘40 becomes more attractive financially. If I remember correctly it was also mentioned that there could be more E types on the road than XJ40’s. :shock:
1994 Regency Red 4.0 Sovereign M117FVC Chassis 705979
1993 Volvo 940 2.0 Turbo Wentworth Estate (Daily)

Jagman_40
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Re: New Member & just bought a 1994 4.0 Sport

Postby Jagman_40 » Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:29 pm

In what ways are XJ40's becoming more affordable please?

Certainly, on the Isle of Man, annual road tax is being ramped up against large engined vehicles.
e.g. £523 for the 4.0 Jag, and proposals to increase that substantially next year, maybe £700+
Only when a vehicle is over 30 years old so they qualify for reduced taxation, currently just £26

The problem being, that the extortionate costs prior to that age is clearly aimed at preventing vehicles reaching that milestone!
So, I fear the worse for large engined vehicles survival rates in particular.
Well done to all those that are saving such vehicles then...
To us!

Cheers

Elsa_jag
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Re: New Member & just bought a 1994 4.0 Sport

Postby Elsa_jag » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:46 am

Don didn’t say affordable, he said financially attractive. I think what he means is a few years ago even a good ‘40 wasn’t worth much so no one had any interest in saving a ropey example, never mind starting a full resto.

As prices climb, it becomes worth throwing a couple of grand at a car to improve it and attract top money when ‘for sale’.

Mainland UK tax isn’t so steep for a 40, but you have to wait until 40 years old to qualify for historic tax. This has only recently gone back to a rolling 40 years, it was quite simply pre 1972 for a long time.
Regards, Carl

1994 3.2 s/ VIN 698892
http://xj40.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1195

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Re: New Member & just bought a 1994 4.0 Sport

Postby donkeyotty » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:48 am

Elsa_jag wrote:Don didn’t say affordable, he said financially attractive. I think what he means is a few years ago even a good ‘40 wasn’t worth much so no one had any interest in saving a ropey example, never mind starting a full resto.

As prices climb, it becomes worth throwing a couple of grand at a car to improve it and attract top money when ‘for sale’.

Mainland UK tax isn’t so steep for a 40, but you have to wait until 40 years old to qualify for historic tax. This has only recently gone back to a rolling 40 years, it was quite simply pre 1972 for a long time.

Indeed, that is what I meant, I couldn’t have put it better myself.
1994 Regency Red 4.0 Sovereign M117FVC Chassis 705979
1993 Volvo 940 2.0 Turbo Wentworth Estate (Daily)

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Re: New Member & just bought a 1994 4.0 Sport

Postby donkeyotty » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:51 am

Elsa_jag wrote:
Jagman_40 wrote:Snap!

So, they must have made 3.2 Sport models as well then...
Any idea how many of them they made?

Same colour, Flamenco Red, my interior is Doeskin leather with red carpets.
I believe that all Sport models had red carpets, and those special alloy wheels of course


They made more 3.2 ‘S’ models than they did 4.0. I don’t know how many, but I think it was around twice as many over the 2 years.

Flamenco red is a lovely colour, although I have the magnolia interior not the doeskin. All S models should have red carpet.

Hi Carl, hope you and yours are all well and safe. Shock horror, there is a 3.2S currently at Mathewsons for the April auction with grey carpets.
1994 Regency Red 4.0 Sovereign M117FVC Chassis 705979
1993 Volvo 940 2.0 Turbo Wentworth Estate (Daily)

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Re: New Member & just bought a 1994 4.0 Sport

Postby Elsa_jag » Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:15 pm

Just had look, doesn’t look too bad. 30k miles at £4K estimate, could be a good car for someone.

That’s the first S I’ve seen with a full grey interior. Normally even the grey dash and seats gets red carpet.

I wonder if it is original or has it been changed? I suppose if the bulk head had let go the red carpets could have been ruined...
Regards, Carl

1994 3.2 s/ VIN 698892
http://xj40.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1195

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Re: New Member & just bought a 1994 4.0 Sport

Postby donkeyotty » Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:35 pm

Elsa_jag wrote:Just had look, doesn’t look too bad. 30k miles at £4K estimate, could be a good car for someone.

That’s the first S I’ve seen with a full grey interior. Normally even the grey dash and seats gets red carpet.

I wonder if it is original or has it been changed? I suppose if the bulk head had let go the red carpets could have been ruined...


A friend has viewed it and confirmed it looked OE so probably a customer order from new, no air con or electric seats or cruise so quite a basic car.
1994 Regency Red 4.0 Sovereign M117FVC Chassis 705979
1993 Volvo 940 2.0 Turbo Wentworth Estate (Daily)

Jagman_40
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Re: New Member & just bought a 1994 4.0 Sport

Postby Jagman_40 » Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:30 pm

Elsa_jag wrote:Don didn’t say affordable, he said financially attractive. I think what he means is a few years ago even a good ‘40 wasn’t worth much so no one had any interest in saving a ropey example, never mind starting a full resto.

As prices climb, it becomes worth throwing a couple of grand at a car to improve it and attract top money when ‘for sale’.

Mainland UK tax isn’t so steep for a 40, but you have to wait until 40 years old to qualify for historic tax. This has only recently gone back to a rolling 40 years, it was quite simply pre 1972 for a long time.


Hi Carl,

Yes, you are quite right, I misread Don's post slightly there, but it does make quite a difference to the inference of course.
I fully understand his meaning that until cars become worth enough to warrant spending on, they are hardly likely to be saved.
I am currently restoring two 1976 TR7 Fixed Head Coupe's, and until very recently, TR7's have never been worth very much at all, unfortunately.
But luckily, parts, including body panels, were similarly cheap enough to encourage restoration. Until recently that is, when panel costs have spiralled.

Anyway, back to Jags... and to be fair, old Jag, apart from e-types, have equally remained relatively cheap to buy, if not to restore.
However, as numbers have obviously diminished greatly, then values are sure to rise, and hopefully ensure their survival, at last.

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Re: New Member & just bought a 1994 4.0 Sport

Postby Jagman_40 » Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:33 pm

donkeyotty wrote:
Elsa_jag wrote:Just had look, doesn’t look too bad. 30k miles at £4K estimate, could be a good car for someone.

That’s the first S I’ve seen with a full grey interior. Normally even the grey dash and seats gets red carpet.

I wonder if it is original or has it been changed? I suppose if the bulk head had let go the red carpets could have been ruined...


A friend has viewed it and confirmed it looked OE so probably a customer order from new, no air con or electric seats or cruise so quite a basic car.



In which case I would imagine that's a fairly high estimate then?
Be very interesting to see what it makes...
Hope it's on one of their episodes on TV sometime!


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